• Re: Commodore 64 Ultimate Starlight

    From Bo Holt@usenet@vk3heg.net to comp.sys.cbm on Thu Apr 23 00:30:01 2026
    I spent most my childhood outdoors climbing trees or playing sports - or various other things kids used to do pre-internet.

    I would be inside during the rain. We had an Atari game console and had
    5-6 cartridges. One of them was defender and that was the best game we
    had. That game got old quite fast. Honestly, I was a bookworm. Video
    games were rather uninspiring to me until many years later. Our schools
    had Apple 2's because Apple donated them. I wasn't really inspired to
    learn programming because the teachers didn't TEACH us to
    program. Back in those days, our schools had one teacher per class for
    all day. And none of them were trained in computer science. It took
    years for the school system, at least in my area, to catch up with the times. Nowadays, these schools look like mini-college campii.

    We had pre-written basic games we'd spend a long time typing into the terminal. Assuming I didn't mess up somewhere, I'd have a few minutes to play hangman or whatever it was. Nothing to write home about. Nothing
    was saved and, all the work was gone when the computers were switched
    off.

    It just didn't hit me hard in those days. I preferred to spend recess
    time outside instead of in front of a computer typing line code I
    didn't understand. I had classmates who really soaked it in though and
    some would hand write basic code at home and do the work at
    school. Most of us didn't have computers - so our screen time
    was limited to school. And in the later elementary grade, girls were
    getting interesting to me and they weren't in the computer room.

    Anyway, my first computer at home was in the 90s after coming home from
    the navy. My brother took me with him to Fry's and I helped him select a computer case. The other components he had already identified before
    the trip. I watched a computer being built for the first time. I had no
    idea what was what. Everything looked alien to me. Times have changed.

    I follow the likes of the C64 community out of curiousity. I'm more of a lurker to be honest. My actual daily driver (as in constant use) for
    my writing hobby is a Tandy laptop. The model 200. I also have spare 100
    and 102's laying around for mod projects. It does what I set out to do, write. And I can do that well. The keyboard layout isn't all fucked
    up. I don't see a caps lock in the south pole and the " key isn't in boonyville. They're in the proper position.

    I bought a C64 mini on sale at gamestop 5-6 years ago. I played a few
    games for a bit and, well, it's in the closet somewhere. I tried to load other utilities via a flash card but nothing seemed to work without
    serious hacking. So, so, so not interested in that. The games were
    OKAY and I could understand what kids my age saw in it. My exposure to
    the Commodore platform came just a few years ago. Otherwise, it was just
    a subject in echonets when I dialed into BBSes.

    I'm currently considering the purchase of an Atari ST 800XL with a
    modern keyboard replacement. The original keyboard was a hunk of
    shit while the modern replacements use modern switches and the keys are
    in the modern locations. Still have a ton of reading to do about the platform and whether I wish to dive into it versus staying with my
    beloved Tandy.

    Daniel
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    I was awful at sports... total nerd at least until 9th grade.

    In elementary, our school was also dominated by Apple IIes, but no
    programming. Just a bunch of MECC games. In high school they taught basic computer skills and typing. Luckily, I was very close with my computer
    teacher my throughout my whole school career, and I was made the defacto computer expert at my school going back to 5th grade.

    The Ataris is one area I have not entered yet, but I am sure I will
    eventually. I am familiar with GEM from my Amstrad PC1512.

    ... Funny how life imitates LSD...
  • From Oregonian Haruspex@no_email@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.cbm on Wed May 6 16:08:58 2026
    Dennis Katsonis <usenet@vk3heg.net> wrote:
    Re: Re: Commodore 64 Ultimate Starlight
    By: marika to All on Fri Apr 10 2026 03:45 am

    Mortar M. <usenet@vk3heg.net> wrote:
    Re: Re: Commodore 64 Ultimate Starlight
    By: Kalevi Kolttonen to All on Tue Mar 10 2026 13:30:01

    C64 BASIC is beyond awful and should never be used in 2026. Why would
    anyone
    torture kids with that lame BASIC?

    I think you're missing the point of retro-computing.


    Right?

    To be frank, C64 basic wasn't that great, even back then. My first computer was a VZ 200, which predated the C64 (I think it was sold as a V-Tech 200 in the US? Here in Australia it was popular), and even it had a version of basic
    where you could draw lines and do graphics.


    Commodore got a cheap deal on an earlier MS BASIC, then stuck with it with
    the C64. It wasn’t as nice or capable as some BASICs even from the same
    era. But it ended up being less of a disaster than you might think, because
    it practically forced people to learn assembly. A huge number of legendary programmers got their start because BASIC was too slow or lacked features.
  • From Luca Saiu@luca@ageinghacker.net to comp.sys.cbm on Fri May 8 10:23:53 2026
    On 2026-05-06 at 16:08 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    But it ended up being less of a disaster than you might think, because
    it practically forced people to learn assembly. A huge number of
    legendary programmers got their start because BASIC was too slow or
    lacked features.

    This is a very good insight.

    In my case it did not lead me to learn assembly in the short term (I had
    no access to books in a language I could read well enough), but it did
    teach me dissatisfaction with programming languages, also a useful
    attitude. Thinking in abstractions at a level higher than what exists
    in the software, and yearning to implement them.
    --
    Luca Saiu https://ageinghacker.net